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  • County mulls prayer suit options
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    By DEREK HODGES

    Staff Writer

    SEVIERVILLE — As a Washington-based legal group prepares to launch a First Amendment lawsuit against the county, officials here have already started weighing their legal options, having talked to an organization that defends in such actions.

    Though there has been no agreement with the Alliance Defense Fund, County Mayor Larry Waters confirms he’s met with representatives from the agency to get a little guidance on a church and state debate that has embroiled local officials.

    “I have spoken with them,” Waters said Monday. “Nobody’s been retained, I have just talked to some of their folks about the situation and what the courts have said about legislative bodies opening with prayer and the Ten Commandments in public places.”

    The county is facing a push from another legal group that deals in First Amendment issues, specifically those related to the interaction of religion and government. Americans United for Separation of Church and State (AU) maintains the county is in violation of the so-called “Establishment Clause,” the first line of the Bill of Rights that is often cited in such cases.

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” the phrase reads.

    The folks at AU argue that stipulation would prohibit practices like that of the County Commission to regularly recite a prayer from one religion to the exclusion of others. The group has long started its meetings by standing to say the Lord’s Prayer, inviting those in attendance to join in.

    In addition to only using the Christian invocation, a practice AU Senior Litigation Counsel Alex Luchenitser argues amounts to “an establishment of religion,” the county has also been faulted for displaying a depiction of Jesus, accompanied by the text of the prayer and the Ten Commandments. Both those issues were raised by a local resident who filed a complaint with AU, according to Luchenitser.

    As Luchenitser has made it clear the group is gearing up for a court battle over the matter, Waters has maintained the county is on solid ground with the practice and vowed to fight AU.

    In that interest, Waters talked to the representatives from the Alliance Defense Fund, a group that describes itself as a “legal ministry” and specializes in this type of suit, offering legal counseling and even representation in cases they believe, like AU, threaten to undermine freedom of religion. The major difference is the groups, both funded by private donations, sit on opposite sides of the courtroom in those cases, with Alliance run as a program meant to defend what its leaders see as the erosion of free practice of the Christian religion.

    Waters said he was encouraged by the discussion with the Alliance representatives, saying they pointed out cases in which American courts have upheld the practice of legislative groups opening their sessions with prayers, as well as one in which a Ten Commandments display by a government entity was allowed to stand.

    “What I got out of the meeting is it depends on the circumstances,” Waters said. “There are different factors that determine the outcomes of those cases.”

    In looking at the local situation and its own factors, Waters said the Alliance Defense Fund, which has a field office in Memphis, representatives didn’t offer a full evaluation, but did give Waters reason to be hopeful.

    “I don’t recall them giving an overall opinion,” Waters said. “They told me there are items that might be positive in the court’s eyes and some items that might be negative in the court’s eyes.”

    If the county does end up having to fight a battle in court, the Alliance Defense Fund’s Web site makes it clear it will not get involved unless it deems the case landmark enough to warrant it. The group was founded about a decade and a half ago by a group of Christian ministries with the stated goal of counteracting the American Civil Liberties Union, which is not involved in the local debate, in issues of “family values.” The Alliance, a conservative organization, has also placed itself in the middle of battles over abortion and gay rights.

    For the time being, it’s unclear where the local fight will go, with the county having received nothing new from AU since a pair of letters a couple months ago.

    “We’re just waiting to see what happens,” Waters said.

    dhodges@themountainpress.com
    comments (15)
    « to Cyndie wrote on Monday, May 03 at 01:42 AM »
    YES, the constitution certainly DOES guarantee freedom FROM religion! I can not force mine on you, and you can not force yours on me!
    « Babyboomer wrote on Thursday, Apr 29 at 12:24 PM »
    Then the "county" (Larry Waters), will be in the newspaper complaining there isn't enough money in the budget to run the county. Maybe they can raise taxes.
    « Law Student wrote on Wednesday, Apr 28 at 10:20 PM »
    The County is going to get sued then pay out millions in fines and be ordered to follow Federal Law.

    The fine will be per day fine for every day that they fail to comply.

    Stubborn and Stupid usually work hand in hand.
    « Old News wrote on Tuesday, Apr 27 at 11:56 PM »
    Let me understand this... It is OK for every President to take the oath of office with a Christian Bible, the US Senate and House of Representatives to open every session with a prayer almost exclusively by Christian ministers, and it is OK for the Ten Commandments to be engraven in stone at the US Supreme Court building and many other law buildings in the US; and yet it is not OK for our out of the way, usually non newsworthy commission meetings that most people have no clue or interest in what goes on there to recite a generic "Lord's Prayer" that doesn't even mention "in Jesus name" and has been recited millions of times and countless other times in film and television productions to the point that most people do not even know or care what they are ritualistically reciting and they also have within their commissioner meeting room walls a depiction of the Ten Commandments hanging in the meeting room that have also been in film and elsewhere and simply implies and symbolizes the rule of law when hanging in government buildings.

    Wow what a threat to this community and nation by our commissioners. Heaven help us... wait, can I say Heaven?
    « Babyboomer wrote on Tuesday, Apr 27 at 08:15 PM »
    The good thing about America is that I don't have to go somewhere else. I am a citizen and I have the same rights as you.
    « a al wrote on Tuesday, Apr 27 at 07:32 PM »
    Uh, we have always prayed since this country came to be, keep praying, if you don't like it then go somewhere else.
    « babyboomer wrote on Tuesday, Apr 27 at 05:03 PM »
    Cyndie said "If the majority of the community is Christian, then yes, it will be a Christian prayer."

    That kind of thinking is just plain wrong. Christians have a right to practice their religion in their homes and churches but the rights of ALL religions must be represented in government, not just majorities. There is not one thing keeping Larry Waters from praying all the way to the meeting. He took an OATH to uphold the law and represent All the people. I suspect a lot of this fervor will die down after the election.

    A lawsuit will cost ALL taxpayers in this county and not just Christians. I suggest that if you people want to defend this matter then you should pay for it out of your own pockets and not tax payer money. Maybe some of the big lawyers that sit in church every Sunday for show might want to donate some of their time and money to this cause.

    « Cyndie wrote on Tuesday, Apr 27 at 03:39 PM »
    A prayer and reading of the ten commandments at meetings is in no way establishing a religion. The constitution guaranteed religious freedom. It did not guarantee freedom from religion. Those people that don't care to pray can at least show respect for others beliefs during the prayer, just as those that don't want to pledge allegiance to the flag should.. To say it against the law is ridiculous. If the majority of the community is Christian, then yes, it will be a Christian prayer. If the majority are Muslim, then they would say a Muslim prayer. The government would not be establishing a religion by allowing the freedom to practice ones religion. "Whoever" decided that prayer was unconstitutional took away one more of our inalienable rights.
    « Let Me Be Blunt wrote on Tuesday, Apr 27 at 01:48 PM »
    Get your religion out of my government. I pay taxes just like the Baptists.
    « Other Choices wrote on Tuesday, Apr 27 at 12:32 PM »
    It must be accepted that one religion shall not or will not be tolerated in dominance. If national news media exposure is what is needed then it surely will be attained to make you comply.

    You will stop and remove the religious actions and artifacts from political activity. The government is for all the people and not all the people are christian.
    « O. H. Beck wrote on Tuesday, Apr 27 at 09:08 AM »
    When the Alamo needed help, who came running, D. C., no wait, it was the folks from Tn. D.C., leave the people in Tenessee alone. The people in D.C. have become nothing more than bullies, our country is crumbling around our feet and some people are always telling others what to do. Maybe our great leaders in D.C. need to pray more, a lot more.
    « navahocanyon wrote on Tuesday, Apr 27 at 08:45 AM »
    As a Retired Professional Soldier, I don't like a situation which I feel that something is being shoved down my throat or, as they say, "cut and ran"! There is another saying, conserve forces today and fight tomorrow. And, I don't like Food City selling fish from Viet Nam either, since we probally could get fish somewhere closer, saving shipping, but as the movies go, "dems the breaks". We just might lose this one but at a cost of maybe a million or so (the attorneys laughing all the way) but, we might just win also losing the same million or so. So, the big check mark will go to the side that has the most money, which goes to the attorneys. Have we counted yet?
    « Just Looking wrote on Tuesday, Apr 27 at 07:11 AM »
    In another article there is a statement that reads" Not everyone has to do what you do"

    It is time to remind that writer of his words. "Not everyone has to do what you do or break the law as you do as well.

    There are more than hateful Baptists like Rev. Hatcher who now live in Sevier County.

    Now you will have to do what the Federal Government says you will have to do or suffer the consequences.
    « NotMovingToTN wrote on Tuesday, Apr 27 at 05:46 AM »
    The article should read...

    "As a U.S.-based legal group prepares to launch a First Amendment lawsuit against the county... "

    BTW - Can anyone tell me where in the Middle East Tennessee is located?
    « In God WE Trust! wrote on Tuesday, Apr 27 at 12:48 AM »
    I pray that Larry Waters is re elected and continues to fight for our rights to pray and have the Ten Commandments posted at our courthouse! Mayor Waters is showing that he is a stand up leader! The AU needs to be shown that their beliefs and ideas are not welcome here. They need to stay in Washington and away from our county! Good Job Mayor Walters and continue the fight against these idiots! Terrorist are against the United States because of our belief in God! The same Terrorist love seeing so called Americans fighting agains Christian beliefs! If the AU would read this article the might see that the people that attend the meetings are invited to say the Lord's Prayer! They are not forced to say the Lord's Prayer!